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Your Pussy Is Political

This piece was originally published on i-D.

If you’re not already obsessed, may we introduce you to the anti-slut shaming podcast, Guys We Fucked? Launched in December 2013 by the New York-based comic duo Sorry About Last Night, aka 28-year-old Krystyna Hutchinson and Corinne Fisher, the show quickly transformed from a series of interviews with the pair’s ex-lovers into a vital voice on sexual politics which they’ve since taken on tour around America (they’re coming to London early next year.) With 220,000 weekly listeners, the podcast has become an essential voice on feminism, women’s bodies and, of course, fecal etiquette.

Hi guys. Congrats on hitting almost a quarter million weekly listeners. And it all started with a hella sassy name.
Corinne: We purposefully named it something salacious. The dialogue that happens around sex is always so boring and clinical and stale. We wanted to do ‘comedy with a purpose’ – not anything preachy or educational but where there is something extra. The podcast got big quicker than we imagined.
Krystyna: And then it became so popular, that a lot of guys didn’t want to be on the podcast! Our total Soundcloud listens is now at like 20 million.

And what begun as an ‘anti slut-shaming’ show where you speak frankly to the men you’ve shagged has segued into a crucial, critical voice in sexual politics. Now you get tons of letters every week, covering everything from masturbation to sexual assault. Did you expect to build this huge GWF community?
Krystyna: The podcast started as a narcissistic experiment. It was just another way for us to talk about sex. But the listeners have made the podcast so much bigger. I think the letters started rolling in when it became clear how honest we are, and that we are not afraid to go there.
Corinne: I never like to think of us as martyrs, or advice-giving superheroes. It’s just us having an honest conversation – and if you get something deep, or educational, or plain entertainment value (which is just as important), then good for you. It’s an awful phrase, but I think we have created this ‘space’ where people can tell us things they need to get off their chest. Half the emails we receive are about sexual assault.

That’s shocking. And yet your tone remains remarkably level, whatever you’re talking about.
Corinne: We have heard so much stuff at this point that nothing surprises me. Until rapists get more than 3 months in jail; until people stop wearing t-shirts that say ‘Hilary is a cunt’ [we’ll keep making this podcast.]
Krystyna: Corinne and I have never been raped or sexually assaulted but if you ask us for advice, we will give it. We don’t coddle, we don’t treat people like injured puppies.

You’ve had some awesome guests on the podcast: porn star, Stoya, author, Jon Ronson, model, Amber Rose and former Islamist extremist turned Government informant, Mubin Shaikh who is fascinating on sexuality in the Quran.
Krystyna: So many things come back to sexuality. I had this theory that there was a correlation between terrorism and sex and then when I spoke to Mubin, he talked a lot about this.
Corinne: Jon Ronson was one of my favourite conversations we’ve had on the podcast. I’m so proud when someone smarter than us wants to come on the podcast. And we’ve been wanting to book Amber Rose for a really long time, she’s so outspoken about slut-shaming.
Krystyna: The biggest misconception is that she is this dumb bimbo.

Because she dated Kanye West?
Corinne: Yeah. Women get it a lot, when they date someone more famous than them.
Krystyna: Kanye West’s personality is not the best, but we are not the people we fuck. She’s so rad. I fell in love with her. I think she was our most listened to podcast. Either her, or Stoya.

Who would be the dream guest?
Krystyna: Beyoncé or Miley Cyrus.
Corinne: Kesha. She risked her whole career to talk about [her assault at the hands of producer Dr. Luke, who her record label, Sony, has as of yet refused to fire.] She had to stop making albums. Think how much money she would have lost. I think it helped when Adele said something. Kesha’s whole character is this party girl, so people don’t respect what she says. It took someone with a ‘classier persona’ like Adele for people to be like – Kesha’s serious.

Which is kind of awful.
Both: Uh huh.

Corinne, you recently spoke about finding a zit inside your vaginal lip. Is anything out of bounds?
Krystyna: We said we wouldn’t talk about penis size. We don’t want anyone to feel shit about themselves. I’ve said things on the podcast and when I listen back and I am like, I cannot believe I said that.
Corinne: I have never been embarrassed – I just don’t give a shit. I forget the people are more sensitive than I am.
Krystyna: At the very beginning, my boyfriend [of 5 years] Stephen and I had one of the biggest fights of our relationship. He was like, “I didn’t expect you to tell people I like having my butt hole licked!” But now I check everything beforehand, and he actually edits the podcast for us. I think Stephen realises, I’m gonna do it anyway.

Has it changed your own sex lives?
Corinne: When we started the podcast, every week I had some crazy ass story from when I went out and met some crazy guy. But now I’m not single, I’m a lot less interesting to talk about.
Krystyna: Stephen and I have actually become more sexually adventurous because of the podcast – we’ve tried threesomes and sex houses. We were talking about all this stuff every week and so we thought we should go on some sexual adventures.

Do you ever experience sexism? I co-host a pop culture podcast for The Sunday Times, and Piers Morgan recently described us as “two posh girls braying gibberish.”
Corinne: That’s an endorsement, coming from him. It’s actually younger people we find to be obnoxious. People who went to college ten years after us who were in a super PC safe space and they’re hyper sensitive. Older people write to us and say, I wish someone like you was around, when I was young.
Krystyna: Being talked to like we are little girls who don’t know what we’re talking about, or being mansplained to us – that’s sprinkled throughout every woman’s life. I love people emailing to disagree with us though, if it’s articulate. I appreciate being educated. All I know is what it’s like to be a straight, white 28-year-old. So go for it! I wanna learn.

When did you realise Guys We Fucked was a phenomenon?
Krystyna: When we filled out the main room at the Comedy Store – it’s a big deal in the comedy world – and Dane Cook opened for us. He was one of the first stand-up comedians I started listening to.
Corinne: When we were asked to do the TED talk on shame and sexuality.

So is there a book coming?
Both: Uhhhhhh. We can’t say anything…

I’m taking that as a yes, and I am excited. Lastly, if you could say one thing to The Donald, what would it be?
Krystyna: Stop grabbing women’s pussies.
Corinne: And well done for of the best pranks that anyone has ever played on America.

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